A 'Trying to Figure Things Out' Post
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windemereIf you are not caught up on Fringe, avoid the second part.
Firstly, the Fringe code has already been cracked. It was cracked before I started watching the bloody show. Of course, it was a pretty easy code: pictures stand for letters and there's only 26 of those in English, after all. But what gets me is not that Abrams put a one word coded message into each episode relating to that episode, but rather his obsession with Greek. Because two of those pictures have Greek letters on them (and Greek keeps showing up in the show, as does Latin - GO ASTRID! - I am not sure if it's because JJ things these languages are mystical or because they are the languages of the mystics...or something).
1. So, the Phi-frog, as he's known. I find the pictures interesting, because they've all got something strange about them, relating to Fringe science, which postulates the theory that the Phi must do that to the frog. Because you get the twins in the apple and the dragonfly wing on the flower and the smoke face (which is weird In And Of Itself). Phi has a number of intersting meanings (in it's capital form). It's most interesting is that it is the reciprocal of the golden ratio in math. The golden ratio is considered an irrational mathematical constant, but the capital Phi is the inverse of that. So it's the opposite of a constant. On a frog. I haven't figured this one out in my head beyond the fact that the symbol's creator probably didn't care about the finer problems of that statement.
2. The second letter appears on the leaf. Now, I've heard the theory that's it's just a triangle. If so, I think that's a comment on math/science within nature, or against nature. However, as a Delta, the capital is substituted for any change in science or engineering, even on a microscopic level. It also, amusingly, it's the symbol used to denote a gene deletion. On a leaf. That can't be accident.
Here's my theory after listening to other fans and the actors/writers. Obviously Peter is a parallel Peter. If you didn't figure this out before the grave scene, you've clearly never watched an Abrams show before. So, this universe's Peter died at age 7. Walter, of course, keeps mentioning the fact that he got very sick with some really skewed version of bird flu and then miraculously recovered. Which he clearly didn't. He clearly died. What I haven't figure out is the timeline after this event. Did Walter already have the means to jump universes, or is this what inspired him to create the device? I think that makes the most sense.
So, if we go with that, clearly he didn't hop over to nab the other Peter immediately. Building Dimension Canons takes time. (Yes, I'm calling it that). So, he builds this thing sometime after 1985, jumps universes, and somehow manages to spirit away the other Peter without other Walter noticing...at least immediately. They come back here and Bell decides the knowledge is too much and steals it from Walter's mind to - what? Use for his own agenda or actually keep safe from the other side? (This whole thing is a problem, because the ultimate question is: why the hell is William Bell in the other universe?)
So, he's got the other Peter. Clearly the other Peter didn't get sick, or he actually recovered. Walter makes that massively interesting statement to Olivia in episode 2 about Peter's medical history and how it's not on file. Did Walter somehow delete it to protect this Peter and he doesn't remember doing it? Now, from what I understand, Peter doesn't remember the childhood Walter recites, because this Peter didn't live it. But he remembers the accident at Thanksgiving. Which would imply this happened to this Peter after he was brought here. This is the first time The Observer shows up in their lives and saves them. Coincidence? Well, nothing in this show is. But it leads me to believe that the Peter in this universe is special, beyond the fact he came from somewhere else. He's part of The Plan (which I am distinguishing from The Pattern - The Plan is the good guys).
There are many chinks in this. I have yet to figure out William Bell, for one. For two, The Observer's motives don't make sense to me beyond 'he wants them all to live', but for what purpose I don't know. Who sent him; what side is he on; or is he, actually, completely neutral? If so, why's he keep helping them? Also, as a small insert, I have convinced myself that, even if I haven't figured out the Nina/Broyles connection, I do believe that the woman's voice on Walter's tapes is Nina Sharp. I may be wrong.
And then we have the war. Which many, and it actually makes sense, postulate that Alt!Walter started because he got pissed off his son was taken. If this is the solution to the question it Will Be Awesome. Who's side is who on? Is Peter going to fight for the other universe or will Olivia keep him grounded in this one? Questions! Questions!
Among them the line from Episode 1 that's been bothering me. When 'Liv and Peter first meet in Iraq he says to her 'Sweetheart, we all know someone who's dying'. WHO IS HE TALKING ABOUT?
Firstly, the Fringe code has already been cracked. It was cracked before I started watching the bloody show. Of course, it was a pretty easy code: pictures stand for letters and there's only 26 of those in English, after all. But what gets me is not that Abrams put a one word coded message into each episode relating to that episode, but rather his obsession with Greek. Because two of those pictures have Greek letters on them (and Greek keeps showing up in the show, as does Latin - GO ASTRID! - I am not sure if it's because JJ things these languages are mystical or because they are the languages of the mystics...or something).
1. So, the Phi-frog, as he's known. I find the pictures interesting, because they've all got something strange about them, relating to Fringe science, which postulates the theory that the Phi must do that to the frog. Because you get the twins in the apple and the dragonfly wing on the flower and the smoke face (which is weird In And Of Itself). Phi has a number of intersting meanings (in it's capital form). It's most interesting is that it is the reciprocal of the golden ratio in math. The golden ratio is considered an irrational mathematical constant, but the capital Phi is the inverse of that. So it's the opposite of a constant. On a frog. I haven't figured this one out in my head beyond the fact that the symbol's creator probably didn't care about the finer problems of that statement.
2. The second letter appears on the leaf. Now, I've heard the theory that's it's just a triangle. If so, I think that's a comment on math/science within nature, or against nature. However, as a Delta, the capital is substituted for any change in science or engineering, even on a microscopic level. It also, amusingly, it's the symbol used to denote a gene deletion. On a leaf. That can't be accident.
Here's my theory after listening to other fans and the actors/writers. Obviously Peter is a parallel Peter. If you didn't figure this out before the grave scene, you've clearly never watched an Abrams show before. So, this universe's Peter died at age 7. Walter, of course, keeps mentioning the fact that he got very sick with some really skewed version of bird flu and then miraculously recovered. Which he clearly didn't. He clearly died. What I haven't figure out is the timeline after this event. Did Walter already have the means to jump universes, or is this what inspired him to create the device? I think that makes the most sense.
So, if we go with that, clearly he didn't hop over to nab the other Peter immediately. Building Dimension Canons takes time. (Yes, I'm calling it that). So, he builds this thing sometime after 1985, jumps universes, and somehow manages to spirit away the other Peter without other Walter noticing...at least immediately. They come back here and Bell decides the knowledge is too much and steals it from Walter's mind to - what? Use for his own agenda or actually keep safe from the other side? (This whole thing is a problem, because the ultimate question is: why the hell is William Bell in the other universe?)
So, he's got the other Peter. Clearly the other Peter didn't get sick, or he actually recovered. Walter makes that massively interesting statement to Olivia in episode 2 about Peter's medical history and how it's not on file. Did Walter somehow delete it to protect this Peter and he doesn't remember doing it? Now, from what I understand, Peter doesn't remember the childhood Walter recites, because this Peter didn't live it. But he remembers the accident at Thanksgiving. Which would imply this happened to this Peter after he was brought here. This is the first time The Observer shows up in their lives and saves them. Coincidence? Well, nothing in this show is. But it leads me to believe that the Peter in this universe is special, beyond the fact he came from somewhere else. He's part of The Plan (which I am distinguishing from The Pattern - The Plan is the good guys).
There are many chinks in this. I have yet to figure out William Bell, for one. For two, The Observer's motives don't make sense to me beyond 'he wants them all to live', but for what purpose I don't know. Who sent him; what side is he on; or is he, actually, completely neutral? If so, why's he keep helping them? Also, as a small insert, I have convinced myself that, even if I haven't figured out the Nina/Broyles connection, I do believe that the woman's voice on Walter's tapes is Nina Sharp. I may be wrong.
And then we have the war. Which many, and it actually makes sense, postulate that Alt!Walter started because he got pissed off his son was taken. If this is the solution to the question it Will Be Awesome. Who's side is who on? Is Peter going to fight for the other universe or will Olivia keep him grounded in this one? Questions! Questions!
Among them the line from Episode 1 that's been bothering me. When 'Liv and Peter first meet in Iraq he says to her 'Sweetheart, we all know someone who's dying'. WHO IS HE TALKING ABOUT?
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Date: 2010-01-21 05:03 pm (UTC)...there's a Fringe code?
WHERE IS IT?
I don't care.
(I do.)
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Date: 2010-01-21 05:36 pm (UTC)